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Further On Name Change Debacle October 8, 2008

Filed under: Uncategorized — alsys @ 12:37 pm

Reading the RG this morning, it appears that Minister Dale Butler thinks St. Davids Islanders are separatists and incapable of learning anything besides through the method of force-feeding it down our throats. Not only that, but somehow by not wanting to lose the name our school has had since Hilton Richardson’s time (and which he was proud to call it, I’m sure), we are indirectly insulting both Mr. Richardson and his memory and by extension, Dame Lois Browne-Evans. Really? I mean, like… really??

 

“The least our generation can do is say thank-you and we are going to rename a building after you.”

No, the best our generation can do is make sure that people become educated about Mr. Richardson through the web, through books and other methods. Renaming places is one way to honour and educate people, sure, but it’s not the only way. And what good does that renaming do when you are doing it in such a way that ostracises the people who should be doing the honouring. What good does it do when by the very act you are removing a symbol of solidarity of a community! As has been suggested, let’s rename the assembly hall or the library. Just as effective. But make it two-prong. How about we start making sure that these people are commemorated in ways that actually teach people. Through books and the web, as I said before.

 

As for his comment that St. Davids Islanders consider them separate from Bermuda? Yeah, in a way we do. Ask yourself why. It’s because the rest of Bermuda considers US separate. Who makes the jokes about St Davids Islanders? Which way is the good-natured, at times, ribbing directed? YOU think we are different and odd and strange… but we aren’t. We are a family. A big family made up of all types – it’s called a community.

 

Okay rant done.

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63 Responses to “Further On Name Change Debacle”

  1. Mike Says:

    Hopefully you will see this as a none political question.

    Don’t you think there is an arrogance that is continuing to creep through Govt?

    It often comes about when a party has been in power too long (Thatcher) and is often an integral part of the eventual demise.

  2. alsys31 Says:

    Just because you asked so nicely, Mike, I will answer in a completely non-political manner.

    I do think that those in control of any organization, whether it be a business, a political party or other, do tend to become in a way complacent after a period of time. And yeah, arrogance is part of that complacency. For me, the question isn’t the “arrogance” so much as how much said person or persons welcome input. I’m a parent and I know that sometimes I can be strong-handed in the sense that I believe that by virtue of being the adult in the “conversation”, I’m right. I’m not always but most of the time I am. 🙂

    Having said that, I’d welcome anyone to give me a really good reason besides that which has been discounted for this change, in the face of such strong dismay for said change. If this is indeed the only way which to honour Mr. Richardson properly and that all other venues have been vetted and proven to not work, I’ll listen. But it goes both ways. Listen to us too.

  3. Mike Says:

    Presumably, any Govt could argue…”you put us in charge to make decisions…what’s the problem?” “Do you expect us to consult on every decision we think is right – before we do it?”

    It’s interesting how we expect Govt to take certain decisions on the premise that they fall completely within their domain. For example, I can’t imagine Govt seeking public opinion on economic strategy prior to making a decision. Cries of “that’s your job” would no doubt be heard.

    Somehow, it appears that it is the smaller issues that irritate. I wouldn’t belittle the proposed renaming in St Davids, so I use the word small with care.

    Interesting.

  4. alsys Says:

    Exactly. Therein lies the Catch 22. But for one main point. Decisions that are made for the purpose of honouring people should include input from the public in my opinion. Anything done with the express purpose of communicating knowledge to the public should be… well, communicated to the public. But hey, if that isn’t possible or if you choose not to let us in on the brainstorming, cool. But surely, our input should be welcomed before actual impletation? And if we then have valid concerns, how effective is it to dismiss them out of hand and insult us – which is how I and many other St Davids Islanders took Minister Butler’s comments.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m a firm believer that we pay the gov’t to do a job and we should let them get on with it (as you may remember from other conversations with me on other sites 🙂 ). I believe in transparency, but up to a certain point. Some things I don’t need to know. But that’s just my opinion.

  5. Zippy Says:

    I find it hilarious that the Minister of Education tells people that they need to learn more about Hilton Richardson.

    Way to engage in constructive conversation!

    Community pride evolves … the pride of St D Islanders in the school is Mr Richardson’s legacy … community pride and cohesion is not generated by a Government action like renaming something.

  6. alsys31 Says:

    Spot on, Zippy. Completely spot on.

  7. Tryangle Says:

    I think the crux of the matter is that everything is decided behind closed doors, and then it’s given to people, as if the public is just supposed to be all “yessir”.

    In this case, why not float the idea of renaming St. David’s Primary, throw some names to the public, get feedback or other ideas (primarily from school alumni, etc.), then have a decision made by a committee comprised of educators and historians?

    Dale Butler’s statements come off as ill-spirited and patronising. Telling people to go research history. Government could make the first step and deliver such historical information via the web and dare I say it the (enemy) Gazette. Use the Gov TV resources and produce more profiles of these men and women and air it on all available TV stations.

    I do see Mike’s point in that we don’t need Government coming to the public on every single issue at hand like an island-wide referenda, But in this case it doesn’t seem like a difficult task of appointing some kind of independent committee that comprises experts in their fields to discuss, independently of Government, ways to honour great men and women of the past, whether it be by renaming landmarks and institutions, while providing the means to educate the public on the contribution of said persons. Whew, long sentence.

  8. alsys31 Says:

    And I agree. this is one of those things that should be, by definition even, a joint venture between the public and the government. Obviously, the final decision lies with the government but we should be included.

  9. Rummy Says:

    “Separatists” ? Mr. Butler is an educated man that at this point in time is being held hostage by his party, ( I don’t think he has any Uncles named ‘Tom’)

    St. Davids is unique, always has been. Been going there since the 50’s. Living on and island with one bridge and being considered half breeds et al, they established a community many years prior to this. Working the land, fishing and harvesting only to be overtaken and their land taken away via Government to the Americans. Yes they were pissed but just kept moving on like any good neighbourhood would.

    One has to open up to these people. These people you say ?

    Damn right. They made an advantage from a disadvantage of being seperated and discrimianted against worse than the blacks of Bermuda.

    Of all my years in Government service I never felt more at home or at peace than in St. Davids.

    We all know what Hilton Richardson did, god bless him his works are still there along with many thousands that contributed and the hundreds that still do.

    Here is a sample of what I would put forth to Government besides what it is now called…..

    The Gary is not on the Lambe eating Burchall chowder whilst Pitchering out the Foxes from the O’Connor whilst the Brangmans shout from the Tuckers Basdens Millet farm.

    So I left a few out…you fill them in and see where they fit into the backbone of this wonderfull place. Times change I know, but hey, come into my yard…..always welcome but behave.

    Trivia…the only bridge to St. Davids…..youngsters won’t know……and as ole Rummy would say……” yah swinging et hall’

    A great day too all.

    My two hog pennies………………:+)

    Ps. Dale, chill man, your good at many things but not all.

  10. alsys31 Says:

    Sorry for the separatists terminology. Was watching Clone Wars on the DVR last night…

  11. Rummy Says:

    Actually what you said was true and does show your inner thoughts and feelings. If you were a ‘suckerupper’ you would not have started this blog.

    Thats the differance. We know who you are, where you live, what you do and we appreciate it. Now if all the motor mouths did this then dialogue would be ‘peas and rice, conch stew, fried chicken and a rum’. Damn……..

    SDP don’t stand for Standard and Poors but um stucking up on canned food and anything else..

    Tanks Alsys…..Gotta……………….

  12. Mike Says:

    Can we have some Smilies……..please!

  13. alsys31 Says:

    😛

    Which ones? You can use most of the emoticons you wish and they do convert.

  14. Guilden M. Gilbert, Jr. Says:

    Mike,

    I fully agree with your point that the electorate wants to have its cake and eat it to when it come s to Government consultation. While I agree that we do not expect the Government to consult the electorate on economic policy, when it come to local, rather than national issues, there should be some consultation. Especially when you are talking of changing the name of a school that nearly every St. Davids Islander has been involved with in some way, shape or form.

    Renaming the airport, for example, in my view, is a completely different matter than renaming St. Davids Primary School because the change is much more personal to the St. Davids community.

  15. Mike Says:

    Thanks Guilden for the view. I hadn’t, in all fairness thought through the differences between local v more national, and I take the point.

  16. LaVerne Furbert Says:

    Hi Alsys,

    Did you see the ZBM news tonight? What do you think of the comments/remarks made by Mr. Richardson’s daughters?

  17. LaVerne Furbert Says:

    P.S. Let’s see how many people will attack the questioner, rather than the question.

  18. Urchin Says:

    Sometimes it’s difficult to know what issues people will feel strongly about.

    Forcing change down people’s throats can be a public relations disaster for the government. And any good manager will tell you that you can’t force things on stakeholders – whether employees, shareholders, or clients – or you’ll put your business on shaky ground.

    Because of this, I think it’s wise, from a political perspective, for government to do some research and sound out those who will be affected by whatever change they are considering – whether it’s the closure of the medical clinic, the renaming of a school, or the replacement of one public holiday with another.

  19. alsys31 Says:

    Ms. Furbert. I did watch the news and I do see where they are coming from. And I agree he should be honoured. Having said that, is renaming the school the ONLY way to honour him? Or even the most effective?? I mean, I still have no clue who TN Tatem is (and no one I ask seems to know to any extent either). Let’s honour Mr Richardson in a way that actually will educate people.

  20. If we were looking to honour educators, wouldn’t scholarships be more effective?

    The whole renaming and restructuring of the education system (which is really the fault of the UBP) removed DECADES of history and pride in all schools. Your school was YOUR school, you felt connected. You understood the history, and the teachers and students who went before. It all went away with the changes, including the positive influences of older students. A shame.

    Also, Terlena Murphy has a good letter to the editor summing up the situation at St. David’s Primary quite well. See it at http://www.royalgazette.com/siftology.royalgazette/Article/article.jsp?articleId=7d8a53330030009&sectionId=75

    I did not see the news, Ms. Furbert. Could you summarise please?

  21. alsys31 Says:

    Scolarships are a great idea!

    Yeah, I read her letter and she said it much better than I could. I was thinking alot about the teachers and my principal when I was going there last night. If I could give all of them an award I would. I learned to love reading there, to appreciate nature (on our many bluebird related activities and field trips). It was as much my home as was the one I shared with my immediate family. It wasn’t/isn’t a primary school so much as a community school. Props are definitely deserved by Mr Richardson, but also by Mr Wright, Ms Story, Ms Smith… I could go on but I won’t.

  22. Mike Says:

    Interesting that she used the word “condescending”.

  23. LaVerne Furbert Says:

    Alysys, it is unfortnatute that you don’t know who Thomas Neville Tatem is, or I should say was because he passed away earlier this year or last year. It is also unfortunate that I did not know who Mr. Richardson was until I did some research after the matter became public through the media. I stand to be corrected, but I think Mr. Tatem was the first principal of the Warwick Secondary School after spending many, many years as the deputy principal at the Berkeley Institute. He taught me while I attended Berkeley,

    My research into Mr. Richardson tells me tha the was the first principal of the “St. David’s Primary School” once it became a government-run school and remained the principal there for almost 40 years. I also understand when he first began teaching in St. David’s he taught in a wooden structure that was attached to St. Luke’s A.M.E. Church, which later became the “official” St. David’s Primary School.

    I understand that there are some people who now live in St. David’s who believe that the school is well served by the name St. David”s Primary. I also understand that there is a group of people living in St. David’s who are anxious for a name change so that Mr. Richardson can be recognised for his tireless work in the community. One thing I am certain of, the former representative of Constituency 3 (St. David’s) has no ties whatsoever to St. David’s Primary School, so I don’t understand why she has become the official spokesperson(as evidenced by her call to Everest DaCosta earlier this week).

    But it’s really no big thing to me. If the majority of people who live in St. David’s want the school to remain St. David’s Prmiary, that’s what it should be. After all, St. David was the patron saint of Wales and it obvious that people in St. David’s feel more of an affinity for him that the do for Mr. Hilton Richardson.

    By the way, I do believe in the consultation process. But I have no idea how many people were consulted in this process.

    Also, did all St. David’s islanders attend St. David’s Primary School, or did some of them attend other schools?

  24. Guilden M. Gilbert, Jr. Says:

    LaVerne,

    “After all, St. David was the patron saint of Wales and it obvious that people in St. David’s feel more of an affinity for him that the do for Mr. Hilton Richardson.”

    I think this comment is more than a little disingenuous. Should we also rename the St, Davids Cricket Club, St. Davids Lighthouse, St. Davids road, etc?

    Not all St. Davids Islanders attended St. Davids Primary School but the majority of them did. Did all blacks attend Berkeley Institute? Does this than give justification to changing the name from Berkeley?

    For decades St. Davids Islanders were seen as outcasts from the wider Bermudian society and this position is what hepled St. Davids to become the community it became now to try to take away the name of an educational facility with which ALL St. Davids Islanders can identify without wide consultation within the community is another slap in the face and I think St. Davids Islanders are now showing their unity over this matter.

    The reality is that unless you have lived in St. Davids and become a part of the St. Davids community you can never understand why the community feels the way it does about this name change.

    Further, I think you may find the same resistance to any proposed name change to St. Georges Prep or West End Primary.

  25. Lewis Padgett Says:

    Guilden is right. I can tell you I was not too pleased with the name TO St. George’s Prep, but understood the need to change in part because of the change in student makeup. Still, alumnii feel they have a vested interest, so why shut them out. Better to have them onboard.

  26. Rummy Says:

    Well, instead of Devonshire named after the Earl of Devonshire, a new change will be put too Parliament.

    The Gombey Act:- 2009….Brownville after Lois and Dr.E, Brown….whats next…….

    I need a rum…….:+)

  27. LaVerne Furbert Says:

    Guilden,

    You are correct on one point. I have not lived in St. David’s. And the time may come, when some in the St. David’s community may want to change the name of St. David’s Cricket Club or St. David’s Lighthouse. By the way, I don’t understand why you would bring race into the conversation and question whether “all blacks attended Berkeley Institute”. That was an honest question on my behalf. I lived in Flatts and some of us attended Elliot while others attended Harrington Sound, and I can assure you that race had nothing to do with the choice of our parents.

    Another thing, St. David’s is no longer a community made up of families with the last names, Pitcher, Fox, Lambe, Mello, Lugo, Richardson, etc. etc. I grew up in Flatts and at one time everyone who lived in Flatts knew everyone else. In fact, my great-grandfather established a business in Flatts, built a home for his family on the top of Flatts Hill and his children built their homes in Flatts as well. However, in the year 2008 few of the descendants of Clarence Orrister Darrell live in Flatts. I think the same goes with St. David’s, while some of the original families still live there, many have moved out because of marriage, etc., and many other Bermudians have moved into St. David’s, and this has not just happened since the Government is using some buildings there for emergency housing.

    You say that St. David’s Islanders were “seen as outcasts from the wider Bermudian society”. I can assure you that I was not one of those people. As a former member of the A.M.E. Church, I can assure you that some of my fondest childhood memories consist of times that I spent camping in St. David’s and interacting with the members of St. Luke’s A.M.E. Church where Rev. Wilbur Lowe Sr. pastored for many, many years. For example, my relationship with Arthur Pitcher Sr. began many years ago, long before he offered himself as a candidate for the PLP. I don’t think that I’m an exception to the rule in this case, as you will find that many members and former members of the AME Church never considered the people of St. David’s as outcasts.

    I also think that if the suggestion was made by the people of Somerset that West End School should change its name to hnour Charles C. Snaith, there would be little resistance.

    I also think that if the PLP Government made any suggestion about changing the name of St. George’s Prep, there will be much resistance. Pick the bones out of that!!

  28. Rummy Says:

    LaVerne…yah sum chiel. Always trying, and successful to some degree of putting spin on things.

    Yes we know St. Davids has changed. Part and parcial to the fact, the gates came down from the former NAS and your Government has demolished half of it that could have been used without making promises of new dwellings that have not been delivered.

    Your comparing apples and oranges. Somerset et al has nothing to do with St. Davids. The people lived on the outside of a fence, worked inside the fence, came through the fence and had a great community.

    Your Government came along, re-inforced the fence, tore down and remodled old US housing, promised future housing…don’t you get it?

    Your a confused Negro, yeah I said it. It’s about time someone, some person, some people start to attack your crap. AME Church et al have nothing to do with what you talk about.

    Bases Agreement Acts, Transfer of Lands, nothing to do with St. Davids Prep.

    Bite me. I am tired of your self serving….ah forget it………

  29. alsys Says:

    Ms. Furbert, please notice what you said. If the suggestion was made by the people…? Yeah, that’s the point. It’s one thing to tell people and quite another to say, what would you guys think of…?

  30. LaVerne Furbert Says:

    Alsys,

    I already said in my original post that if the majority of people in St. David want to retain the name “St David’s Primary Schoo”, I have no problem with it. I didn’t go to that school, my children didn’t go to that school, and I doubt that my grandchildren will will attend St. David’s Primary.

    However, whoever Rummy is, he talks likes he is constantly drunk, not matter where he posts on the internet. He makes not sense whatsoever. As I see it his only problem is that he hates that fact that the PLP is the present Government. I don’t know where he lives, I don’t know what he’s contributed to Bermuda, past or present, but he sounds like a real a-hole to me, not matter what he has to say. But as they say, the devil finds things for idle hands to do, and the devil is working real hard with him!! I am not impressed, neither do I take his “drunken rages” as jokes. He is a very dangerous being!! Or at least he tries to give that impression.

  31. alsys Says:

    Ms. Furbert, and that’s why you don’t understand. And that’s cool. We made a community and we won’t to keep our soul. I can’t possibly explain to you what this means to me and my family.

  32. alsys Says:

    Sorry, want 🙂

  33. Rummy Says:

    LaVerne, your last sentence is a joke. Your grasping at straws and trying to infer something that is neithere here nor there. Your misinformation is about the ssame calibre as what you receive.

    Me Dangerous? You know exactly where I am. Give the impression that I am dangerous? Have you lost it? Is that your belief or a party belief? Guess you’ll call Immigration and have my passport cancelled and lock me up.

    The only thing you have to fear is fear itself dear.

    Gotta run..Shawn Crockwell horn dee lyne…..Yah Yah…No problem….I’ll send dee Canadian stuff too you…..

    Your a joke lady…..

    Hick……….blub….belch…..damn…droppd my bottle ann seringe at dee saim tyme………Must be tdet ‘mirrors’ ting…….

  34. Rummy Says:

    Just one more thing. I have watched the video of your denial about the “confused negro” thing about Shawn Crockwell. Millions of others have seen and heard it.

    You avoid it now but denied it earlier. Whats your stance on that now? Or is it something that you wish to put behind you without reponse?

    A Rummy is a drunk. I imigaine an asshole too you would be Gay?

    I will pray for you…..

  35. SevenT Says:

    Furbert

    Rummy may be drunk but you are an ignorant pompous, self-serving fool.

    Tomorrow morning Rummy wil be sober – you, however, will still be an ignorant pompous, self-serving fool.

    I thought you might have stopped your bullshit (at least for a while) from shame when that video showed you up as the hypocrital liar that you are. Obviously you are even dumber than I gave you credit for, and that takes some doing!

  36. SevenT Says:

    And how dare you attack Rummy – look at message #7 in this thread, the one you posted yourself… “Let’s see how many people will attack the questioner, rather than the question…” You lasted a full 47 hours before launching yet another personal attack to try and shore up your self-serving drivel.

    You are the only “confused negro” around here Furbert – you can’t even abide by your own rules. Then again your tenet has always been “Do as I say – not as I do” – just like the PLP!

    By the way your misquote “the devil finds things for idle hands to do” – which should actually be “Idleness is the root of mischief” – is not a biblical one in case you were labouring under some misguided hope that using it made you sound like some learned Christian. The maxim comes from Chaucer’s ‘Tale of Melibee’ (c. 1386) – not even in The Old Testament let alone The New one.

    So much for trying to appear as though you have the moral high ground on that one eh? Just showing off the amazing depth of your ignorance again!

  37. Uncle Elvis Says:

    Wow…

    I never thought I’d agree with Ms. Furbert on something!

    Now, as for the name change, I think you have it absolutely right, guys. This SHOULD have been done through some sort of consultation. As alsys said, “Hey, what do you guys think about this?” would have alleviated this whole problem.

    And, amazingly enough, we’re back on to the “attack attack attack” train. Awesome.

  38. Rummy Says:

    Oh UE..ease off. We all know that is directed at me. You only wan’t to curry favour to boost your ego. This is not Sucks, so back off. You don’t know me.

    You yearn for confrontation, it’s your life blood. Go head…..tell her what you think of her family…

    Sorry Aslys…UE is just baiting as usual and since his frenzie has slowed on “Sucks” he takes his game elsewhere.

    A great day too all.

    Ps. Thanks UE for all the info…we already covered it…..

  39. Uncle Elvis Says:

    Sorry. Forgot this was YOUR blog and that I wasn’t allowed to post my opinion.
    As for your usual ignorant, ill-informed, opinion of me and the pack of lies you continue to spread to promote your smear campaign against anyone who dares say anything about the garbage you spew… well, it matters just as much as your opinion on anything else. Not at all.
    You’re a joke and a troll. Everyone knows it.

    I just found it interesting that you and your irrelevant, nonsensical idiocy is the one thing that folks on both sides of the political divide can agree on.

    Now, back on topic.

    What’s to be done about this?

    Will a petition even be considered, or is this just a done deal, with the current administration bulldozing over the wishes of the people?

  40. Rummy Says:

    Read your first sentence. Really read read it. This back and forth is of your making and some do like it for entertainment. I don’t, as I said prior, it’s all about you and you just bring it up again. Laverne, sits back and says to her friends…look at these White Buoys/Boys…

    This is not my Blog and please don’t hijack it from Alsys. Your up to your old self inflicted wounds/attention. Give it a rest. Go take the wife for a walk, cook something, do something..jingus man..what ever your on..I don’t want it….

    I need a rum… a bear, a line/lyne…

    Ps. By the way, I just sent some monies to Zimbabwe…..

    Let it go dood…………

  41. Mike Says:

    I was seriously hoping that Alsys’s blog would not turn into another BDS of tit-for-tat squabbles.

    Sorry Aslys – just had to say it.

  42. Perhaps this should put the controversy to rest.

    http://www.royalgazette.com/siftology.royalgazette/Article/article.jsp?articleId=7d8a5af3003001b&sectionId=60

    You know, let’s revisit the scholarship idea. There’s tons of Government scholarships and bursaries. None of them have any kind of emotional name attachment. Why not take the “Teacher Training Award” and name it in Mr. Richardson’s honour, for example. If Belco can do that with two of their scholarships, the Government could accomplish far more.

    I think that enduring legacies deserve to be remembered as scholarship and educational grants. It’s far more effective than the usual edifice building, although there are exceptions. The Ruth Seaton James Auditorium is a good example of a fitting tribute to that lady.

    The scholarship route gives a constant reminder to the public of the person’s contribution, because as it is awarded every year, people will be reminded of the person’s contribution to the island, and, more importantly, how that contribution to the island will be continued by the awardee.

  43. Guilden M. Gilbert, Jr. Says:

    LaVerne,

    You are indeed correct that the make up of the population of St. Davids has changed over the years and many “outsiders” have moved, especially since the opening of housing on the former baselands. Maybe one day a change in the name of the school will occur without much resistance but clearly there are still a large number of St. Davids Islanders who are not prepared to accept this change.

    Sorry if you interpreted my comments about The Berkerley Institute to be the injection of race, that certainly was not my intention as those who know me know that I do not use race to support any of my arguments nor do I condone the use of race for that purpose.

    Seven T,

    Although I cannot and do not speak for Alsys, but having conversed with her and participated in discussions on which she was a part, I very much doubt she is agreeable to the usual attacks.

    You may disagree with LaVerne on many issues but to name call is quite frankly immature and unproductive. We are all entitled to our opinions and the expression of those opinions and we should be able to do so without people calling us dumb and other names.

    Please let’s not turn this blog into another atack and abuse blog, let’s see if we can make this blog the exception and have respectful dialogue, even if we vehemently disagree.

    Thanks for the consideration.

  44. LaVerne Furbert Says:

    Hi Guilden,

    This is about my third attempt in responding to your post. I woudl be pleasantly surprised if this blog did not turn into “another atack and abuse blog”. You should note that from my comments on Catch A Fire and this blog, there are certain bloggers in Bermuda (and elsewhere who are only interested in attacking and abusing. That’s why you will read questions from Sven T and Rummy question about my remarks at a PLP rally held way over a year ago regarding Shawn Crockwell which I make no apologies for.

    However, with regards to the renaming of the St. David’s Primary School, I find it quite ironic that I was sent the following link by a friend of mine who had no idea of the “debate” going on here.

    Nigerians to trod Garvey, Marley way
    published: Monday | October 13, 2008

    Brian Bonitto, Acting Entertainment Editor

    Jamaica’s first National Hero Marcus Garvey and reggae icon Bob Marley are among a group of ‘positive people’ who will have streets named after them in Nigeria.

    According to an AFP report dated October 1 – the country’s independence day – 80 streets in the city capital of Abuja are to be rebranded with names of persons who have contributed to Nigeria’s democracy.

    History and consciousness

    The release quoted Federal Capital Territory minister Aliyu Umar saying that Garvey and Marley are “an integral part of our history and consciousness”.

    Umar, during a 48th independence anniversary parade, said some roads were “inappropriately named” as they had no relevance or affinity to Nigeria’s “existence, history or culture”.

    Charles Eyo, head of Chancery at the Nigerian High Commission in Kingston, could not give a definitive date for the name change. He said both Garvey and Marley are popular in his country.

    “They are highly regarded and … are legends,” Eyo told The Gleaner.

    “Garvey fought for the political liberation of blacks.

    “Marley’s lyrics spoke volumes on freedom and love… it’s universal,” he added.

    The diplomat said Marley’s music has a wide following in Nigeria and is played regularly on radio. He named Survival as his favourite Marley album.

    Survival is the 1979 album that includes songs such as So Much Trouble, Zimbabwe and Africa Unite.

    Garvey and Marley were both born in St Ann. Garvey, who died in London in 1940, was an advocate for mass return of blacks to Africa.

    Marley, who died in Miami in 1981, was a hero to African freedom fighters during the 1970s.

    Nigerian streets will also be named after American civil rights leaders Martin Luther King Jr, Malcolm X and Rosa Parks.

    Not to be outdone are Nigerian writers, Nobel laureate Wole Soyinka and Chinua Achebe as well as sport heroes Jay Jay Okocha, Kanu Nwankwo and Mary Onyali.

    Nigerian musician Fela Anikulapo-Kuti and opposition candidate Atiku Abubakar will also be honoured.

    Nigeria, officially named Federal Republic of Nigeria, is located in West Africa. It gained independence from Britain on October 1, 1960. The country was declared a republic on October 1, 1963.”

    The question remains “Will Alsys be able to control this blog?” I think not Racism and white supremacy in Bermuda reigns surpreme in Bermuda and the majority of posters on Bermuda’s blogs know that Alsys is not “one of them”.

  45. alsys Says:

    Hi all. I’ve been reading the comments and have chosen not to interrupt. I had hoped and for the most part been pleasantly surprised to see that y’all can moderate yourselves. As such, I will still not interrupt. If an argument and name-calling is the method that you wish to use to communicate, I sincerely hope it works for you. And thusly, my own (and others) method of focusing on the discussion and ignoring the chafe is how I’m going to communicate.

    So, back to the discussion. (And sorry, Ms Furbert, my pc is on the blink and haven’t checked the mod site – which holds back links). There was a sentence in that article about how certain names of streets to be updated were inapproprate and did not represent Nigeria’s rich history and cultural accomplishments? See, that’s not the case here. St Davids in a name represents all that and more for us. We carry that name with pride. But as you said, you don’t know all that much about St Davids. For me, when I don’t know about something, my first instinct is never to tell those that do, intimately, that they are wrong. But that’s just me.

    And for the record, I am one of them. I’m a bermudian resident who cares deeply about this island, deep enough to feel the need to do what I can to help make it even better than it is today. And I can assure you (for the most part), the bloggers in this strange new frontier are exactly the same as you and I in that respect at least. I listened to Walton Brown last night and during Ms Hodgson’s call in, he said what I think – that anyone who lives on this island are entitled to have their say. Good bad or other. It is more dangerous to have a community of people who don’t care than to have those who do.

  46. Mike Says:

    “The question remains “Will Alsys be able to control this blog?” I think not Racism and white supremacy in Bermuda reigns surpreme in Bermuda and the majority of posters on Bermuda’s blogs know that Alsys is not “one of them”.

    Strangely enough Ms Furbert, Alsys is one of us. Alsys has her opinions – and we have ours. She is – like us – a blogger.

    I have learnt – and continue to learn, from Alsys (and others like her), both here on her blog and also over at BD Sucks where she contributes on an almost daily basis, and I am grateful to her for that exposure. She tells it as it is, with respect to the other bloggers, and we have a very healthy respect for her.

    She is bright, has firm views on a number of issues and is as far as I can see the type of person that Bermuda needs more of. She has an open mind (unlike some), and is also quite capable of standing on her own two feet and defending her corner.

    I’m not going to comment on the race remarks you make; they have no value in my opinion.

  47. LaVerne Furbert Says:

    Mike says “Strangely enough Ms Furbert, Alsys is one of us”. One thing I can say for certainty, I’m glad I’m not in the same position as Alsys. I would never want to be “one of us”. I have my point of view, Alsys has hers, and you Mike have yours. However, as I continue to say, the difference between you, Alsys and me is that I have the courage of my convictions, always have, and always will. Maybe she will feel complimented that you have described her as “bright, has firm views on a number of issues”, however, there are those who will describe me in the same terms, but I certainly wouldn’t expect it from you, or most others who blog in Bermuda. But, hey, you’re entitled to your opinion and I’m entitled to mine.

    But back to the renaming of St. David’s Primary. Maybe there should have been more consultation. Maybe the Government should have held a referendum, becuase I understand that there are many in the St. David’s community who are in favour of the name change. However, as is typical of Bermuda, those who are against Government initiatives are the one who capture the media’s attention.

    Alsys, I would like to suggest that you re-read the article that I copied and pasted regarding the renaming of streets in Nigeria. maybe you’ll understand it better, by and by.

  48. 32n64w Says:

    “However, as I continue to say, the difference between you, Alsys and me is that I have the courage of my convictions”

    What does this mean? Why and in what context does your point of view and choices with regard to expression and method of delivery of opinion differ so vastly from anyone else’s?

    Are you saying that nobody else on the island has the confidence to do or say what they think is right, even when others disagree?

  49. Rummy Says:

    Well LaVerne..the PLP have been doing it for 40 years, so whats your point? And the part about St.Davids Islanders wanting a change is more crap spin from you because you still haven’t answered anything.

    A recent poll showed that 70 % of Blacks want to rename the Jamaican Grill to West Indian Hot Stuff…got that from Waltons Mountain… bawahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

  50. LaVerne Furbert Says:

    32n64w “However, as I continue to say, the difference between you, Alsys and me is that I have the courage of my convictions”

    What does this mean?” It means that I am not afraid to let people like you know how I think. It means that I don’t hide behind a pen-name, like most of you who blog. It means that I am not afraid to let Bermuda know what and how I think. It means that my name is LaVerne Furbert and this is what I have to say. It means that I don’t call myself “32n64w” or “Rummy” or “Mike” or “Sven T” or any of the other names you all call yourself. It means that I am not a coward, that what it means!!!
    Rummy, you are just a sick cookie, so I won’t even respond.

  51. Mike Says:

    It means that I don’t call myself “32n64w” or “Rummy” or “Mike” or “Sven T” or any of the other names you all call yourself. It means that I am not a coward, that what it means!!!

    Well – at least it’s now official. Son Tigga is a coward.

    Well well – who would have thought it.

  52. LaVerne Furbert Says:

    Mike,

    I have two sons and neither is named Tigga. Obviously you know something that I don’t.

  53. Rummy Says:

    Good one LaVerne, I take that as a compliment. I know you like “cookies”, duncked in milk, spashsheeally ‘chalklit cheap’..
    Have a great day..

    Ps. ” You all”..? Girl..yah muss bee a Southerner……. ):+

  54. 32n64w Says:

    Well Mrs. Furbert I’m glad you believe you are not a coward. Neither am I.

  55. Mike Says:

    “Obviously you know something that I don’t”.

    And if you believe that, then not only do I have a bridge I can sell you, but there’s a couple of fairies at the bottom of our yard that will arrange the sale.

  56. Rummy Says:

    The Severn Bridge is gone Mike, the “fairies” Moved too Mass.USA years ago….and the Leader of the Uppasistion owns half uv Krawl…..Bawahaaa………

    And yes….The Rummy is A confused white boy a confused white boy, ah cunfoozed white boy,..ah kunfoozed white…Rummy hisaa…kunfoozed white boy….Sar Hanry Tukar ann hall dee rast sayed …..Rummy his ah akunfoozed white boy

    Detz rite…..Vy dee hal yoo tink weee gut hair? Sur Jorge Sahummars vauwz ah cunnfoozed white boy…..detz vy hee rhan ahgrund…stoopid mahan…..dets rite…rahan ahgrund…horf dee heast and….nah tal mee detz nut ah cunfoofoozed white boy, cunfoozed white boy…..

    Bahawahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

  57. J Starling Says:

    Getting back to the topic at hand…

    Personally I am in support of honouring people from our past who have greatly contributed to the Bermuda we have today. I’m certainly much more inclined towards those who participated in the struggles for economic and political justice in whatever capacities they were able. Having said that we cannot simply sweep our past history, the history of the white oligarchs under the table, its important to honour the good among them and to recognise they are part of our history, warts and all.

    My main thing with the name changes thus far though has been the pure cosmetic aspect of it all. Take the L. F. Wade International Airport. I still believe it would have been more appropriately named after Dr. E. F. Gordon, but that’s a moot point now. But there is nothing, no plaque, no poster even, that commemerates Freddie and what he did for Bermuda. Would it be so hard to put a plaque up about him giving a brief bio? The same goes with much of the other name changes.

    We have so much history but we only go halfway when we just rename something without actually adding to the public knowledge about them.

    As for consultation, I don’t know how much was done. Often times people react to decisions rather than respond in advance to proposals. That is disappointing (that people are re-active and not pro-active) but the honourable thing to do in the face of reaction is to approach the people from where they are coming from, find out why they upset, see if you can’t convince them of the wisdom of the change and if that fails seek a compromise or something. That seems to have failed to occurred so far, sadly.

  58. J Starling Says:

    Cool avatar! I look like I just had a triple espresso! Sweet. Actually, I could use an espresso now that I think about it…

  59. Rummy Says:

    Actually, the naming of the Airport should have rverted back to Kindley Field and left as such.

    One must not forget that the area was made by the US as a great cost. There are other places, areas that can be named/renamed for Bermudians.

    It’s great and wonderfull to think of and remember our heritage. It’s the way it is being gone about in this day and age that makes me wonder what it’s really all about.

    For the past 60 years of my life, I have never seen such a fervant movement to bring up and address the struggles of blacks, yet cast aside the accomplishments of others.

    A great day too all.

    These types of endevours may have been thought about in the years from 1965-2008 with party politics but nothing like todays atmosphere.

    Imagine, White “MCP’s” talking like this…..Imagine Black “MCP’s” talking like this……..

    Yes they did have differance of opinion but nothing compared too what we hear today.

    Revisit history, ..Court Street, why such a name?
    Reid Street, why such a name.
    Parliament Street, why such a name..

    Harbour Road?????

    Hell…Mr. Starling bitches and moans about everything…….but..we did name and continue to feed and nourish our National bird….the Starlings……

    Now Kisskadees?? We need a Town Hall meeting on that one…….+:)

  60. 9ps Says:

    Ms. Furbert,

    You state in an above post that your great-grandfather built a house in Flatts as well as starting a business and his children also built houses in the area. Knowing your age (as you constantly use it as some sort of debate tool) that puts him the era of the mid to late 1800s.

    My question is that if your great-grandfather was able to achieve so much in those days of overt and blatant racism by whites, then what it is holding back the majority of blacks (as you claim to be some overarching conspiracy aimed to keep blacks suppressed) in these days?

    I mean the days of “legalised” segregation have long been over, blacks are now the majority and are the Govt. of the day and there are numerous more opportunities regarding career and education choices then could have ever been dreamed of during your great-grandfathers day.

    From your post it appears that he achieved much during a time which didn’t recognize black Bdians as equals. He seems to have worked hard and refused to let his skin color and the racist whites of the day be a barrier to success.

    I believe you should follow your ancestor’s philosophy of life and stop using the race card for all yor shortcomings and character flaws which are pointed out. Food for thought:) Have a great day.

  61. starman Says:

    “What does this mean?” It means that I am not afraid to let people like you know how I think. It means that I don’t hide behind a pen-name, like most of you who blog. It means that I am not afraid to let Bermuda know what and how I think. It means that my name is LaVerne Furbert and this is what I have to say. It means that I don’t call myself “32n64w” or “Rummy” or “Mike” or “Sven T” or any of the other names you all call yourself. It means that I am not a coward, that what it means!!!”

    You “don’t hide behind a pen-name” because you write from a position of power and insider Gov’t influence. Many feel you are an unstable, pathological ‘loose cannon’. We are fearful of you Lavern, because of your past actions… against Phil Wells and his family(!) for crissakes… as well as Christian Dunleavey, and many others, whom you and your son “tigga” (please don’t be childish and lie about the obvious) have harassed and threatened with Immigration action! And outing posters. And spamming folks. Something like the “Doctor, the Chef, and the Construction Worker.” Remember them? We can see that you and your immature, face-saving Gov’t are still in pay-back mode toward certain people who disagree with them. They are more concerned with gaining respect (one earns respect) than in truth. We can almost feel your uncontrollable hate and anger that can turn into revenge when no one agrees with you. You and your son, tigga, HAVE interfered with people’s lives, their well being, their careers, even their families! So you can be damn sure that I am going to protect my pen-name identity from you and your lot, for fear being on the other end of your off-the-wall wrath… or getting a call from Immigration. IMO you are simply a wealthy, malicious person with nothing better to do, and have been that way since you were a kid. The so-called “Committee of Assholes” negatively chattering away up in your head must be something else! How can you sleep with all that noise going on??

    BTW… why did you look so nervous last night on zbm tv as you attempted to blindly defend your pal, the Doc?? You were sweating profusely & shaking like a leaf, you could hear it in your voice. And you always look angry. What’s with that, Laverne?

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