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Barack to the future… September 15, 2008

Filed under: Uncategorized — alsys @ 1:21 pm

I saw this on a t-shirt when I was roaming the streets in NYC. I’m so amazed at how… enamoured the world (in general) is of this man. I am a republican, but even I see his appeal. See it, yeah. Believe it, not really. I obviously cannot vote in the upcoming election but I’m firmly behind McCain. American politics, and indeed our own, have become more and less about the issues – melding into this pseudo intellectual popularity contest. Most people know just enough about each candidate to support their own pre-conceived ideas and no more. They simply don’t want to know more… just want to be able to seem informed. I can be just as guilty of this than anyone else. The problem lies in that many will actively refuse to see anything that flies in the face of their opinion. This is not just wrong, it is dangerous. Refusal to see warning signs can be our downfall… one which we, by default, are complicit in. All it takes for evil to prosper, is for good men to do nothing. It is our duty to think of ourselves as the architects of our governemnt. This means more than just talking with “ya boys” about stuff. Get out there, go talk to them, attend meetings… you are the stakeholders of your country and by extension, the government. Become informed not just for information’s sake, for your sake and for your children’s sake.

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32 Responses to “Barack to the future…”

  1. shawn C. Says:

    Alsys –
    so you are against abortion, and also believe that tax cuts should only go to the wealthy? rather than giving tax cuts to the middle class? you are also a supporter of the war in Iraq even though Iraq didnt attack the US on Sep 11.
    IN your support of John mccain, you are also then a supporter of Sarah Palin, and are comfortable that she would be able to take over as President if Mccain was to pass away? Mccain would be the oldest president ever elected, and also has had his health challenges in the past. You believe that Palin, who we are finding out more and more (negative) stuff about lately is capable and qualified? For those that think Obama lacks experience, Palin had never ever even travelled outside the U.S. til 6months ago.
    I think you are underestimating the influence that Obama has on inspiring and calling to duty many americans who have been otherwise alienated by the political process. IN fact, you are coming across patronizing in my opinion.

  2. Ken Says:

    Alsys
    Also in the past you have said you are a PLP supporter since the 2007 campaign but were UBP prior.
    As a republican though it would appear that you would be against social programs as the republican way is usually to sink of swim.
    Do you then think that the PLP government should not implement free daycare, and do away with free public transport etc?
    I totally understand that based on election promises, Bermuda might be in a better financial position with mccain as president, but America’s state in the world is at an alltime low since the president of George Bush, and Mccain plans to not do anything much different to change this status. Re-electing Bush, which is what will happen with Mccain being elected, will affect the US economy negatively which will have a trickle down efect on Bermuda as well. So its basically six of one, a half a dozen of another. I personally would take my chances with Obama who people connect with, and believe his heart is in the right place and who will surround himself with the people needed to restore America’s reputation, rather than Mccain who will take their reputation lower and lower.

  3. alsys31 Says:

    I personally against abortion yes, but I am pro-choice. I am in support of the US ending the war but wide-spread withdrawal is not the answer… which is what MCCain mandates. the Iraqi government participated in near genocide but that’s okay to let continue because they weren’t an overt member of the September 11 attacks?

    Obama does lack experience. So what? That’s not the issue I have with him. I personally do not ascribe to the view that you must be decorated etc to run a government. You must however be truthful and straight up. I neither need nor want to agree on all points with my leaders, I simply want to know that when push comes to shove they can lead the country and make the hard decisions. Don’t tell me what you think I want to hear, do what is best for the country. And if you have to crack a few eggs, then so be it. In my opinion, Obama cannot be that person… be it because of his race, his experience or his viewpoints.

    Shawn, I do not estimate the influence and inspiring traits of Obama. And I think it’s great that so many are becoming persoanlly involved in politics. HOWEVER. If you want someone to make you smile when you think about them, go on. I am gonna stick to choosing to support those who do what is best for the country. That’s isn’t patronizing.

  4. alsys31 Says:

    Ken, I’m both PLP and republican. Yes, there are certain aspects of that that contradict but the same holds true for anyone who proclaims to be a grassroots PLP-er. As human beings we are entitled to be a bit of whatever speaks directly to us. I will not apologize for that but I would encourage you to research not only the GOP ideals but both McCain’s and Obama’s voting records. I think you might be seriously surprised.

    Obama has promised to remake America. I read his speech at the DNC. How exactly is he supposed to do all of that stuff he’s promised? Oh I forgot, those are just election promises. It’s much better to have someone blatantly lie to your face then?

  5. Ken Says:

    You are absolutely hilarious and delusional. I knew before, but now i am certain.

    Mccain wants to overturn Roe vs Wade and his VP is even more extreme and is against abortion in ANY circumstance, including rape and incest.

    For america to invade Iraq because they have committed genocide is interesting because there are and have been genocides in many parts of Africa and other parts of the world. Secondly, if Bush and America wanated to invade Iraq to ‘help’ the Iraqi people they could have said that, but they used lies and deceit to invade Iraq and since which many peoples’ lives from different countries have been lost. Dont be fooled – this war was over Oil. But I guess you believe everything that Bush and MCcain say.

    I do not think Obama is some savior that will make everything perfect. I am not that ignorant to believe that, and i think that most voters are intelligent enough to know that wont happen. But what he does have is the ability to unify people and perhaps pull people into his circle. There are many people that believe that change is needed and if they are all on board then change is more likely to come.

  6. Ken Says:

    “In my opinion, Obama cannot be that person… be it because of his race, his experience or his viewpoints. ”

    You wrote that in your comment. So you believe that because of his race, his experience or his viewpoints, he cannot be that person? So what about Mccain makes you think he can be that person? And even more importantly what about Palin makes you think she can be that person.

  7. alsys31 Says:

    Delusional because I disagree with you? That’s a mature response, Ken.

    No, I don’t believe everything anyone tells me. I choose to make an informed decision based on the facts of the matter. Re-read my comments. Did i say that Bush went to war because he wished to help anyone? I believe that the war was for many reasons, I don’t deny that.

    Ken, just because I don’t support Obama does not mean I begrudge or deride anyone who does. So please do not attack me for having opinions that aren’t your own.

  8. alsys31 Says:

    “”In my opinion, Obama cannot be that person… be it because of his race, his experience or his viewpoints. ”

    You wrote that in your comment. So you believe that because of his race, his experience or his viewpoints, he cannot be that person? So what about Mccain makes you think he can be that person? And even more importantly what about Palin makes you think she can be that person.”

    Let me clarify, I do not think Obama is the best one for the job because I disagree with his stances. I do not think it is because of his race, I think everyone thinks it is because of his race or alternatively, that his race is a main factor in why people both admire and dislike him. It distracts from the purpose, from his message. He is a brilliant man with good ideas but a lot of people don’t see that because of his race, whether in a good or a bad way. I’m sorry if you disagree with me but that’s your perogative and unlike yourself, I do not think that you are delusional or hilarious for thinking unlike myself. I do think your comment was rude but again, your perogative.

  9. Ken Says:

    Not delusional because you disagree, but more delusional because there is no consistency. To satisfy your argument, you then must think that the US would be well within their remit to invade Sudan, and Rwanda and Zimbabwe and other places where genocide and acts similar to that are happening. So why do you think the US hasn’t invaded other areas? And what right do you think the US has to play policeman of the world? especially when all is not well within thier own borders?

    What stances do you disagree with Senator Obama on? Universal healthcare for all that want it? Tax breaks to the middle class vs the higher classes? Makign college more affordable for all? Cooperating in a dialogue with world leaders rather than using the Bush doctrine of preemptive strike?

    In addition, I then ask what policies of Bush/Mccain/Palin do you agree with?

  10. Rummy Says:

    I love your comments about “trickle down” Ken. Tell that to the Teachers, Police and other Civil Servants.

    As for Roe Vs Wade? Who wins, who looses. Thats another debate but the people vote and they get what they vote for. It’s all about ching ching whether Rep.Dem.Ind…white black russian mexican indian slovac et al….then again, you have to be a US citizen and registered.

    I’m more worried about current events in Bermuda than who the next POTUS is going to be.

    The system will be in place regardless. I cannot forsee a revolution this side of the world buut the Middle East and Russia and Iran..now there lies the “Epicentre”…..

    “Epicentre”…courtesy of Joel Rosenburg……

    A great day too all.

  11. alsys31 Says:

    Actually, yeah, if you see wrong being done and you are in a position to stop and/or alleviate it, then I do think that you should. Perhaps not a popular view but it’s one of the reasons we have so many issues today. The “it’s nothing to do with me” excuse.

    But to answer your question on what I disagree with Obama on, I believe that late-term abortions should be restricted, I believe that the children that are the result of partial birth abortions should be entitiled to care funded by the government, I believe that life begins at conception (and I firmly believe that holding the highest office in the US means that Obama should have an openly-stated opinion on this), I believe that social programs need to be tempered with proper management of the economy, I believe that voting not present as he did on many volatile issues including the war is NOT the same as being against it. I agree with universal healthcare as a concept. I do, however, think it is not possible to create what he promises unless you are planning on taxing americans more than half their salaries so I don’t agree with that. I can go on but perhaps later.

    Alternatively I agree with Obama on things like replacing race-bassed affirmative aaction with class-based. Believe me, I don’t agree or disagree with any one candidate, whether here or in the US. I’m sorry if you think that blindly following someone and agreeing with everything is the way to go for yourself, but that’s not who i am.

    As to what I agree with McCain about is reducing taxes on middle-class. his ideas and full support of both offshore drilling and alternative energy implementation, that reduction of national debt is more more important than tax cuts and yeah, I agree with him that the Iraq war needs to be managed properly and that withdrawing right now would be a very bad thing to do.

  12. Rummy Says:

    My appoligies….it’s “Epicenter”. Too many rums eh?

    As for all the other issues you mentioned Alsys…it boils down to personal choice. Yes it’s law and until such time it is not, we should respect others positions as I am sure you do.

    Thanks for the opportunity once again to opine.

  13. Ken Says:

    ALsys-

    I dont recall Obama saying that withdrawing frm Iraq right now en masse is the way to go. I recall him saying that a deadline needs to be set so that american troops can get back to their families and that Iraq needs to manage Iraq. U never have stated why you believe Bush invaded Iraq to help the Iraqi people, but hasnt done ish for any of the African countries.

    As far as his voting record, anyone who agrees with Bush over 90% of the time, and has voted this record therefore condones and supports the downturn in the American economy, society, world view etc.

    You also havent stated your feelings on Sarah palin taking over as President and her extremist beliefs.

  14. alsys31 Says:

    Hey Rummy. As I said, I am pro-choice (as are many other republicans). I don’t believe in abortion for myself but I do believe that others can and should have that choice for themselves. That’s a moral issue for me and an obviously sticky point. Am I right? I have no clue but i do know what i believe in.

    Any time, mate.

  15. Ken Says:

    If Obama is Pro-choice, then in my opinion that is is view. Rather than ramming his ideology/philosophy down someone’s throat, he believes in the right to choose.

  16. alsys31 Says:

    “U never have stated why you believe Bush invaded Iraq to help the Iraqi people, but hasnt done ish for any of the African countries. ”

    I reiterate, I did not state that Bush invaded Iraq to help anyone. Please read my response above.

    As to mcCain agreeing with Bush, that it not true. Yes, I will allow that he has voted with Bush 90% of the the time but the votes that he voted against him are very important. He voted against Bush’s tax cuts for the rich bill, he voted against Bush on the topic of alternative drilling and other such bills. Substance before statistics please. More money has been spent in Africa helping the poor and directed a relief for AIDs related issues under Bush’s gov’t than any other president. That’s important, wouldn’t you think?

    And you’re right, I haven’t stated my opinion on Sarah Palin and her beliefs. Just like I haven’t stated my opinion on Biden and his rather un-democrat beliefs either (talk about voting with Bush!). That’s another post. Right now I’m focusing on the presidential candidates.

  17. Ken Says:

    U said “I personally against abortion yes, but I am pro-choice. I am in support of the US ending the war but wide-spread withdrawal is not the answer… which is what MCCain mandates. the Iraqi government participated in near genocide but that’s okay to let continue because they weren’t an overt member of the September 11 attacks?

    That would insinuate to me that because the Iraqi govt particpated in genocide that US forces were deployed there to either punish them or help the people. Regardless, there are many other countries whose leaders have performed atrocities and the US has not helped in any tangible way.

    There is more likelihood of Palin taking over from Mccain than Biden taking over from Obama if we are speaking statistically about death. I dont wish ill on the man, but he will be near 73, has had a stressful life, and the to see him last 2 terms would take him to 81. So Palin should be vetted as a potential presidential candidate as well.

  18. Rummy Says:

    I agree with comment 14. It’s all about choice and thats why we are where we are today.

    Thas generic right?…..

    Gotta run……My neighbour needs me……tink abowt hit……… :+)

  19. alsys31 Says:

    Ken, as that was in resonse to the comment above mines, perhaps you need direct your comments at Shawn C. He stated “you are also a supporter of the war in Iraq even though Iraq didnt attack the US on Sep 11” and I responded that the Iraqi gov’t were responsible for other injustices, ie, the genocide comment. That does not mean that I believe the american troops were deployed to help them, more than the result of the removal of Saddam was a good thing. Sorry if you misunderstood the thread.

    Um, sure. Well, statistically black men lives are shorter than white men. And as Biden votes with Bush more than most republicans, thumbs up. 🙂 Palin, not so much. Again, I am going to go into more detail on her, I promise. I just would prefer to make my post when I have had enough time to give her as much research time as I’ve spent on the other candidates.

  20. Ken Says:

    you are grasping Alsys. Yes black men live shorter lives than white men but Obama is 47. It is more likely that he will live until 55 than Mccain living to 81.

  21. Ken Says:

    Alsys – you seem to give Obama the short end of the stick on many issues, and I am hoping its not a deep down inferiority that you feel due to his race. Personally there are many people that feel he will be inadequate and when asked to elaborate on why they feel that way they come up with generic responses…and it makes me wonder if race is the real issue here, the elephant in the room.

  22. alsys31 Says:

    Perhaps Ken. Unfortunately I do not have access to the same crystal ball that you are devining from so I’d rather deal with what is actual that what is possible.

    (And Obama smokes – or at did until very recently – so that another couple of years knocked off right??)

  23. alsys31 Says:

    Alternatively Ken, if you ask a lot of his supporters why they support him, it boils down to the same thing, ’cause he’s black. I’m a black woman and I don’t feel in any inferior to anyone else so no, it’s not because of that. I simply don’t think that he will be able to do half of what he says and to me that is lying. I do not like that he has voted against many things that could help the selfsame people that he professes to be trying to help now. The reasons I don’t support him are outside of his race.

    I simply go by his record. I don’t want election promises when how you vote and your political history/accomplishments speaks more loudly, if one wishes to listen.

  24. Ken Says:

    its not a crystal ball alsys, its reality. And you talk about Obama smoking, Mccain has had cancer more than once already. Like I said you are grasping.

    Actually most Obama supporters that I know of that are black are not supporting him because he is black. That is insulting for you as a black woman to say. I wonder if you are against him just so you can be the antithesis and so that you can say “all black folks are not supporting him’. I support Obama because I believe in many of his policies and ideas for his country. I also dont like Mccain because I feel he is more of Bush and Bush has destroyed much of the goodwill of AMerica in the last 8 years. And I think Palin is worse than the two of them so that is even more reason.
    But to insinuate that black folks are only supporting him becasue he is black is an insult to him and to them. Yes there might be some but i doubt that it is the majority, ESPECIALLY because we are the one race that historically has not come together anyway.

  25. Ken Says:

    Ok I am not entirely sure the point of you posting the NYPost article. We all know there are biases in the media so it is very difficult to know what is credible.
    We can all find articles and columns to support basically whichever candidate we want.

    Like I am sure your favorite channel is Foxnews due to their wonderful indepth unbiased and objective commentary…

  26. alsys31 Says:

    Ken, I was being facetious, obviously.

    Actually, more non-black people are supporting him because he is black, if you keep up on the internet blogs. And I never specified race. It’s insulting that you would automatically assume I am referring to blacks only. Tsk tsk. How about you stop making assumptions based on what you think I am insinuationg, I’m sure they are many things you can argue with that I actually outeright say. Everyone else does 🙂

    Actually my favourite channel is USA. Why you ask?

  27. alsys31 Says:

    And for the record, I don’t care why a person supports a particular candidate as long as they are being honest and are willing to defend their stance. Ain’t nothing with supporting Obama for being the first black presidential candidate… what’s wrong is lying about it.

  28. Rummy Says:

    Um voting for Obama because I want change. Dez rite…..I want change from my dollar that helps and does support the World with all it’s loans and recinds.

    Plus that way…we get to have the Gombeys at the White House instead of the Peppercorn Ceremony….

    And…no more George Bush…..just more cronies and lobbiests….aint life grand?

  29. Martin Says:

    As we all know, the electorate will vote for a particular person for a whole raft of reasons. Some reasons do not bear thinking about, others are simple (read simplistic perhaps) – but usually they are sincere although some would argue misguided.

    I sense we give too much credit to the human race generally on political matters. I don’t believe that people think matters through in the breadth and depth that issues often warrant and deserve and from which an informed opinion can be determined.

    I make the point only because I have a feeling (and it is no more than that) that this current presidency has done a great deal of harm – to the US as a nation, to the standing of the US on the international stage and to the American people individually and collectively.

    Every so often, an electorate will prove the pollsters wrong and elect the other party.

    After these Bush years coupled with Obama’s youthful and often refreshing approach to ‘making you feel part of the US again’, I would be amazed if Obama didn’t win.

    Pulling the decision apart in the aftermath will be pointless. There will be limited logic and the rationale will be down to ‘looking for a change’. The electorate might wish in the fullness of time that they had voted differently of course – but then I suspect they feel that way at the moment.

  30. Rummy Says:

    And therein lies your failure to understand.

    It’s not all about Bush. It’s about the system. As for the Internation stage…they may not be right in your mind but whom do they call?

    As for the party/parties being wrong thats a figment of your imagination.

    When Obama or John become President then I am sure you will have more comments from one that moved on from Bermuda to England.

    Your appeal Sir…will be with the house of Lords………………….then again….thats white privilage right?

  31. blankman Says:

    And for the record, I don’t care why a person supports a particular candidate as long as they are being honest and are willing to defend their stance. Ain’t nothing with supporting Obama for being the first black presidential candidate… what’s wrong is lying about it.

    Voting for Obama because he’s black is every bit as racist as voting against him for that reason.

    The results will be interesting to say the least.


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